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"Stresssssssss..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-22 07:10:26

My life has been really stressful lately... I hate where I'm living. My housemate Ben is a controlling asshole and I really want to move out. I talked with my old landlord about moving into the one bedroom studio behind my old house. I think that I just need to live alone. I don't like the whole sharing everything hippy crap that Ben is trying to force on me. I like being more independent than that. Which might be stupid but whatever. I'm going to blame it on me being an only child and needing my own space from time to time. I spend most of the week being social up on campus and when I actually go back to my house I don't want to hang out with Ben and Steve and Dan because I just need some time to myself. Ben complained about me being alone and just sitting in my room playing video games. I'm soo paranoid about him coming into my room and bitching at me for playing video games that I hardly ever play them now. I'm not good at dealing with stress and video games were one of the few things that helped and now I don't really have that anymore because I'm soo scared of Ben coming in and saying something to me about it. I talked with my parents about moving and they're all for it. I told them some of the ridiculous things that Ben has done and were very sympathetic to me. Most of my friends have been except Sam. Sam thinks that I should stay and force myself to be happy because it'll be a good life lesson for me to learn to share or something like that. Not having her support hurt and kinda pissed me off because I'm miserable there. I don't know what I can do to make myself happy and Ben happy and Devin happy. I've been spending lots of time up on campus with Devin like 5 or 6 nights a week. If I don't stay up with him then he gets lonely and depressed and if I don't stay at home then Ben gets pissed off at me for having a life outside of the house and not hanging out with him and Steve and Dan. Obviously I choose Devin over those people but I still do like to try to make everyone happy... I need to move with or without everyone's approval. I'm just scared about telling Ben about me moving. He's a very controlling person and knows pretty well by now how to manipulate me. I'll just put on my stupid young guy act or something and play it off. I'm not sure how he's going to take it. He might be happy that I'm moving since I don't participate with the house anymore. I think he's given up on me which is nice. He's stopped calling or texting me. I haven't had any contact with him in over a week at this point I'm pretty sure. I only really see Dan. I think that Ben and Steve went on a gay cruise this week though... They have an open relationship so they go on gay cruises and hook up a bunch. They have a pretty fucked up relationship... I've also been stressing about my relationship with Devin. I'm not always happy with him which I suppose is normal.. but I've been happy with him and just happy in general less and less lately... Part of that is house stress but a lot of it is stress coming from Devin. Devin is selfish basically and doesn't put as much into the relationship as I do. I've come to accept this though from most people I know. I'm pretty sure that most people I know don't go out of their way to be as generous as I am but I've resigned myself to this fact and am trying to live with it. I don't know how to be any other person than the one I am. Devin and I had a long talk the other night about our relationship. He admitted to being selfish and that he feels really bad about it. He really appreciates all that I do for him which made me feel good but he also didn't really make any promises to change and I really haven't seen a change in him since the talk. We also both admitted that we knew that I can do better. Devin is a good/ok boyfriend but he's not an amazing boyfriend. He also said that he was going to be selfish again and not break up with me because he loves me soo much and doesn't want to lose me even though I can do better than him. He does love me and wants me to be happy so he told me to try to find someone better if I could. I really don't want to hurt him though.. and I know that if i do find someone better and break up with him that it will break his heart and I don't know if I can do that to him.. but at the same time I want be happy and find someone who will put in as much as I do. We decided to open things up a bit more so that I can fool around with as many guys as I want now instead of just one like we had agreed upon before. Part of my problem with Devin is that he's selfish in bed and I don't always get that much pleasure out of our sex. I'm also still recovering from my penis surgery and it hurts to be hard which makes topping Devin difficult all of the time and he's a big bottom and really wants to be fucked more than I can so he wants to be able to find a fuck buddy or something so that he can get topped more regularly and he said that when that need is met that he can then focus on me more. He also said that he had no idea that what he was doing to me when we fool around as actually doing anything for me despite the fact that I told him how good it was feeling. He said that one of the reasons that he doesn't do as much back is because he didn't want to be spending that energy making me feel good if ultimately it wasn't doing anything for me. I really enjoy being touched by him.. and even if it doesn't get me close doesn't mean that he shouldn't touch me... I told him that what he had been doing did feel very good and did help me get closer so hopefully he'll be better in bed now. He has still hasn't made me cum yet... I've had to do it every time we've had sex but that's no big surprise. Most guys don't seem to want to do that for me since it takes me soo long.. but I'd still appreciate it if he'd try especially since before me no guy had made him cum and I've done that for him several times now. There are just a lot of things about Devin that frustrate me.. and I know that I can do better but I'm also very attached to him and don't want to leave him.. and besides all that he lives up on campus and it's soo convenient to be able to stay in his room.. sometimes I wonder if that's one of the main reasons why I'm with him... I don't really think that it is.. but I think about that sometimes... At least for now I get to look forward to some potentially awesome sex which I haven't really had since I go together with Devin 5 months ago. School on the other hand has not been stressful for me. I'm liking my classes especially my Digital Printmaking class. I've been making t-shirt designs. I'm really happy with how they've been turning out. I'm going to try to put them all up on my Deviantart page today hopefully after lunch.





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"Stresssssssss..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-22 07:10:24

My life has been really stressful lately... I hate where I'm living. My housemate Ben is a controlling asshole and I really want to move out. I talked with my old landlord about moving into the one bedroom studio behind my old house. I think that I just need to live alone. I don't like the whole sharing everything hippy crap that Ben is trying to force on me. I like being more independent than that. Which might be stupid but whatever. I'm going to blame it on me being an only child and needing my own space from time to time. I spend most of the week being social up on campus and when I actually go back to my house I don't want to hang out with Ben and Steve and Dan because I just need some time to myself. Ben complained about me being alone and just sitting in my room playing video games. I'm soo paranoid about him coming into my room and bitching at me for playing video games that I hardly ever play them now. I'm not good at dealing with stress and video games were one of the few things that helped and now I don't really have that anymore because I'm soo scared of Ben coming in and saying something to me about it. I talked with my parents about moving and they're all for it. I told them some of the ridiculous things that Ben has done and were very sympathetic to me. Most of my friends have been except Sam. Sam thinks that I should stay and force myself to be happy because it'll be a good life lesson for me to learn to share or something like that. Not having her support hurt and kinda pissed me off because I'm miserable there. I don't know what I can do to make myself happy and Ben happy and Devin happy. I've been spending lots of time up on campus with Devin like 5 or 6 nights a week. If I don't stay up with him then he gets lonely and depressed and if I don't stay at home then Ben gets pissed off at me for having a life outside of the house and not hanging out with him and Steve and Dan. Obviously I choose Devin over those people but I still do like to try to make everyone happy... I need to move with or without everyone's approval. I'm just scared about telling Ben about me moving. He's a very controlling person and knows pretty well by now how to manipulate me. I'll just put on my stupid young guy act or something and play it off. I'm not sure how he's going to take it. He might be happy that I'm moving since I don't participate with the house anymore. I think he's given up on me which is nice. He's stopped calling or texting me. I haven't had any contact with him in over a week at this point I'm pretty sure. I only really see Dan. I think that Ben and Steve went on a gay cruise this week though... They have an open relationship so they go on gay cruises and hook up a bunch. They have a pretty fucked up relationship... I've also been stressing about my relationship with Devin. I'm not always happy with him which I suppose is normal.. but I've been happy with him and just happy in general less and less lately... Part of that is house stress but a lot of it is stress coming from Devin. Devin is selfish basically and doesn't put as much into the relationship as I do. I've come to accept this though from most people I know. I'm pretty sure that most people I know don't go out of their way to be as generous as I am but I've resigned myself to this fact and am trying to live with it. I don't know how to be any other person than the one I am. Devin and I had a long talk the other night about our relationship. He admitted to being selfish and that he feels really bad about it. He really appreciates all that I do for him which made me feel good but he also didn't really make any promises to change and I really haven't seen a change in him since the talk. We also both admitted that we knew that I can do better. Devin is a good/ok boyfriend but he's not an amazing boyfriend. He also said that he was going to be selfish again and not break up with me because he loves me soo much and doesn't want to lose me even though I can do better than him. He does love me and wants me to be happy so he told me to try to find someone better if I could. I really don't want to hurt him though.. and I know that if i do find someone better and break up with him that it will break his heart and I don't know if I can do that to him.. but at the same time I want be happy and find someone who will put in as much as I do. We decided to open things up a bit more so that I can fool around with as many guys as I want now instead of just one like we had agreed upon before. Part of my problem with Devin is that he's selfish in bed and I don't always get that much pleasure out of our sex. I'm also still recovering from my penis surgery and it hurts to be hard which makes topping Devin difficult all of the time and he's a big bottom and really wants to be fucked more than I can so he wants to be able to find a fuck buddy or something so that he can get topped more regularly and he said that when that need is met that he can then focus on me more. He also said that he had no idea that what he was doing to me when we fool around as actually doing anything for me despite the fact that I told him how good it was feeling. He said that one of the reasons that he doesn't do as much back is because he didn't want to be spending that energy making me feel good if ultimately it wasn't doing anything for me. I really enjoy being touched by him.. and even if it doesn't get me close doesn't mean that he shouldn't touch me... I told him that what he had been doing did feel very good and did help me get closer so hopefully he'll be better in bed now. He has still hasn't made me cum yet... I've had to do it every time we've had sex but that's no big surprise. Most guys don't seem to want to do that for me since it takes me soo long.. but I'd still appreciate it if he'd try especially since before me no guy had made him cum and I've done that for him several times now. There are just a lot of things about Devin that frustrate me.. and I know that I can do better but I'm also very attached to him and don't want to leave him.. and besides all that he lives up on campus and it's soo convenient to be able to stay in his room.. sometimes I wonder if that's one of the main reasons why I'm with him... I don't really think that it is.. but I think about that sometimes... At least for now I get to look forward to some potentially awesome sex which I haven't really had since I go together with Devin 5 months ago. School on the other hand has not been stressful for me. I'm liking my classes especially my Digital Printmaking class. I've been making t-shirt designs. I'm really happy with how they've been turning out. I'm going to try to put them all up on my Deviantart page today hopefully after lunch.





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"Stresssssssss..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-22 07:10:24

My life has been really stressful lately... I hate where I'm living. My housemate Ben is a controlling asshole and I really want to move out. I talked with my old landlord about moving into the one bedroom studio behind my old house. I think that I just need to live alone. I don't like the whole sharing everything hippy crap that Ben is trying to force on me. I like being more independent than that. Which might be stupid but whatever. I'm going to blame it on me being an only child and needing my own space from time to time. I spend most of the week being social up on campus and when I actually go back to my house I don't want to hang out with Ben and Steve and Dan because I just need some time to myself. Ben complained about me being alone and just sitting in my room playing video games. I'm soo paranoid about him coming into my room and bitching at me for playing video games that I hardly ever play them now. I'm not good at dealing with stress and video games were one of the few things that helped and now I don't really have that anymore because I'm soo scared of Ben coming in and saying something to me about it. I talked with my parents about moving and they're all for it. I told them some of the ridiculous things that Ben has done and were very sympathetic to me. Most of my friends have been except Sam. Sam thinks that I should stay and force myself to be happy because it'll be a good life lesson for me to learn to share or something like that. Not having her support hurt and kinda pissed me off because I'm miserable there. I don't know what I can do to make myself happy and Ben happy and Devin happy. I've been spending lots of time up on campus with Devin like 5 or 6 nights a week. If I don't stay up with him then he gets lonely and depressed and if I don't stay at home then Ben gets pissed off at me for having a life outside of the house and not hanging out with him and Steve and Dan. Obviously I choose Devin over those people but I still do like to try to make everyone happy... I need to move with or without everyone's approval. I'm just scared about telling Ben about me moving. He's a very controlling person and knows pretty well by now how to manipulate me. I'll just put on my stupid young guy act or something and play it off. I'm not sure how he's going to take it. He might be happy that I'm moving since I don't participate with the house anymore. I think he's given up on me which is nice. He's stopped calling or texting me. I haven't had any contact with him in over a week at this point I'm pretty sure. I only really see Dan. I think that Ben and Steve went on a gay cruise this week though... They have an open relationship so they go on gay cruises and hook up a bunch. They have a pretty fucked up relationship... I've also been stressing about my relationship with Devin. I'm not always happy with him which I suppose is normal.. but I've been happy with him and just happy in general less and less lately... Part of that is house stress but a lot of it is stress coming from Devin. Devin is selfish basically and doesn't put as much into the relationship as I do. I've come to accept this though from most people I know. I'm pretty sure that most people I know don't go out of their way to be as generous as I am but I've resigned myself to this fact and am trying to live with it. I don't know how to be any other person than the one I am. Devin and I had a long talk the other night about our relationship. He admitted to being selfish and that he feels really bad about it. He really appreciates all that I do for him which made me feel good but he also didn't really make any promises to change and I really haven't seen a change in him since the talk. We also both admitted that we knew that I can do better. Devin is a good/ok boyfriend but he's not an amazing boyfriend. He also said that he was going to be selfish again and not break up with me because he loves me soo much and doesn't want to lose me even though I can do better than him. He does love me and wants me to be happy so he told me to try to find someone better if I could. I really don't want to hurt him though.. and I know that if i do find someone better and break up with him that it will break his heart and I don't know if I can do that to him.. but at the same time I want be happy and find someone who will put in as much as I do. We decided to open things up a bit more so that I can fool around with as many guys as I want now instead of just one like we had agreed upon before. Part of my problem with Devin is that he's selfish in bed and I don't always get that much pleasure out of our sex. I'm also still recovering from my penis surgery and it hurts to be hard which makes topping Devin difficult all of the time and he's a big bottom and really wants to be fucked more than I can so he wants to be able to find a fuck buddy or something so that he can get topped more regularly and he said that when that need is met that he can then focus on me more. He also said that he had no idea that what he was doing to me when we fool around as actually doing anything for me despite the fact that I told him how good it was feeling. He said that one of the reasons that he doesn't do as much back is because he didn't want to be spending that energy making me feel good if ultimately it wasn't doing anything for me. I really enjoy being touched by him.. and even if it doesn't get me close doesn't mean that he shouldn't touch me... I told him that what he had been doing did feel very good and did help me get closer so hopefully he'll be better in bed now. He has still hasn't made me cum yet... I've had to do it every time we've had sex but that's no big surprise. Most guys don't seem to want to do that for me since it takes me soo long.. but I'd still appreciate it if he'd try especially since before me no guy had made him cum and I've done that for him several times now. There are just a lot of things about Devin that frustrate me.. and I know that I can do better but I'm also very attached to him and don't want to leave him.. and besides all that he lives up on campus and it's soo convenient to be able to stay in his room.. sometimes I wonder if that's one of the main reasons why I'm with him... I don't really think that it is.. but I think about that sometimes... At least for now I get to look forward to some potentially awesome sex which I haven't really had since I go together with Devin 5 months ago. School on the other hand has not been stressful for me. I'm liking my classes especially my Digital Printmaking class. I've been making t-shirt designs. I'm really happy with how they've been turning out. I'm going to try to put them all up on my Deviantart page today hopefully after lunch.





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"Stresssssssss..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-22 07:10:24

My life has been really stressful lately... I hate where I'm living. My housemate Ben is a controlling asshole and I really want to move out. I talked with my old landlord about moving into the one bedroom studio behind my old house. I think that I just need to live alone. I don't like the whole sharing everything hippy crap that Ben is trying to force on me. I like being more independent than that. Which might be stupid but whatever. I'm going to blame it on me being an only child and needing my own space from time to time. I spend most of the week being social up on campus and when I actually go back to my house I don't want to hang out with Ben and Steve and Dan because I just need some time to myself. Ben complained about me being alone and just sitting in my room playing video games. I'm soo paranoid about him coming into my room and bitching at me for playing video games that I hardly ever play them now. I'm not good at dealing with stress and video games were one of the few things that helped and now I don't really have that anymore because I'm soo scared of Ben coming in and saying something to me about it. I talked with my parents about moving and they're all for it. I told them some of the ridiculous things that Ben has done and were very sympathetic to me. Most of my friends have been except Sam. Sam thinks that I should stay and force myself to be happy because it'll be a good life lesson for me to learn to share or something like that. Not having her support hurt and kinda pissed me off because I'm miserable there. I don't know what I can do to make myself happy and Ben happy and Devin happy. I've been spending lots of time up on campus with Devin like 5 or 6 nights a week. If I don't stay up with him then he gets lonely and depressed and if I don't stay at home then Ben gets pissed off at me for having a life outside of the house and not hanging out with him and Steve and Dan. Obviously I choose Devin over those people but I still do like to try to make everyone happy... I need to move with or without everyone's approval. I'm just scared about telling Ben about me moving. He's a very controlling person and knows pretty well by now how to manipulate me. I'll just put on my stupid young guy act or something and play it off. I'm not sure how he's going to take it. He might be happy that I'm moving since I don't participate with the house anymore. I think he's given up on me which is nice. He's stopped calling or texting me. I haven't had any contact with him in over a week at this point I'm pretty sure. I only really see Dan. I think that Ben and Steve went on a gay cruise this week though... They have an open relationship so they go on gay cruises and hook up a bunch. They have a pretty fucked up relationship... I've also been stressing about my relationship with Devin. I'm not always happy with him which I suppose is normal.. but I've been happy with him and just happy in general less and less lately... Part of that is house stress but a lot of it is stress coming from Devin. Devin is selfish basically and doesn't put as much into the relationship as I do. I've come to accept this though from most people I know. I'm pretty sure that most people I know don't go out of their way to be as generous as I am but I've resigned myself to this fact and am trying to live with it. I don't know how to be any other person than the one I am. Devin and I had a long talk the other night about our relationship. He admitted to being selfish and that he feels really bad about it. He really appreciates all that I do for him which made me feel good but he also didn't really make any promises to change and I really haven't seen a change in him since the talk. We also both admitted that we knew that I can do better. Devin is a good/ok boyfriend but he's not an amazing boyfriend. He also said that he was going to be selfish again and not break up with me because he loves me soo much and doesn't want to lose me even though I can do better than him. He does love me and wants me to be happy so he told me to try to find someone better if I could. I really don't want to hurt him though.. and I know that if i do find someone better and break up with him that it will break his heart and I don't know if I can do that to him.. but at the same time I want be happy and find someone who will put in as much as I do. We decided to open things up a bit more so that I can fool around with as many guys as I want now instead of just one like we had agreed upon before. Part of my problem with Devin is that he's selfish in bed and I don't always get that much pleasure out of our sex. I'm also still recovering from my penis surgery and it hurts to be hard which makes topping Devin difficult all of the time and he's a big bottom and really wants to be fucked more than I can so he wants to be able to find a fuck buddy or something so that he can get topped more regularly and he said that when that need is met that he can then focus on me more. He also said that he had no idea that what he was doing to me when we fool around as actually doing anything for me despite the fact that I told him how good it was feeling. He said that one of the reasons that he doesn't do as much back is because he didn't want to be spending that energy making me feel good if ultimately it wasn't doing anything for me. I really enjoy being touched by him.. and even if it doesn't get me close doesn't mean that he shouldn't touch me... I told him that what he had been doing did feel very good and did help me get closer so hopefully he'll be better in bed now. He has still hasn't made me cum yet... I've had to do it every time we've had sex but that's no big surprise. Most guys don't seem to want to do that for me since it takes me soo long.. but I'd still appreciate it if he'd try especially since before me no guy had made him cum and I've done that for him several times now. There are just a lot of things about Devin that frustrate me.. and I know that I can do better but I'm also very attached to him and don't want to leave him.. and besides all that he lives up on campus and it's soo convenient to be able to stay in his room.. sometimes I wonder if that's one of the main reasons why I'm with him... I don't really think that it is.. but I think about that sometimes... At least for now I get to look forward to some potentially awesome sex which I haven't really had since I go together with Devin 5 months ago. School on the other hand has not been stressful for me. I'm liking my classes especially my Digital Printmaking class. I've been making t-shirt designs. I'm really happy with how they've been turning out. I'm going to try to put them all up on my Deviantart page today hopefully after lunch.





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Son,> it does not matter what you have in mind your> mother's and sister's vulvas as the bottom> line is that I pay them for spreading their> legs for the night and days of my pleasure.> I will let you suck my cant when you> turn sixteen in ten years time.>> "qw" <qwi...@yahoo com sg> wrote in message>> news:119378075.761603.271650@t8g2000prg googlegroups com...>>>>>> > that's a said..> > you'ew totally drunk..> > i have no sister.> > so whose sister you play with ?> > let me think...>> > my pig have no sister either..> > oooo. i remember..> > that's be my goat....> > but why you call it sister ?> > he is a male..> > can you see the different between ass of goat and vagina of goat ?> > ohh my dear child...> > you're so mesh when you're drunk..>> > you change surface can't see the different between goat'ass and goat's vagina..> > so. you put your head on gost ass ??> > BWAAHAHHA....>> > uppss. sorry. i don't convey to laugh at you..> > of course you're my dear child..> > you need a love of a parent..> > gratify forgive your mom which ingnoring you..> > poor lky. go to me my child..> > don't be sad...- Sembunyikan teks kutipan ->> - Tampilkan teks kutipan - On 23 Okt. 01:47. "LKYs care" <LKYs_Mot...@yahoo com> wrote:> Dear Silly Mother Fucking Retard Bastard,> Dear Darling Son,>> Wow! It seems that your medical condition is> worst than I thought it to be. So according to> you your mother and sisters are goats and pigs,> but only that your mind now forces you to believe> that they are all dead or don't exist? Well this is> a very good enter. Now we know what could be> going do by with your medication. We will> alter the concentration to your advantage.>> Besides I still pay for fucking your care and> sisters.>> "qw" <qwi...@yahoo com sg> wrote in message>> news:1193079901.03587.111800@k35g2000prh googlegroups com...>>>>>> > of course the drunken shemale like you can't remember or known that is> > a goat and a pig..> > you don't remember that you put your head in goat ass.. LOL> > you also undergo no penis your mom teold me tha so your name is lky..> > means can licking only (am i alter ?)>> > about drunk..> > you know what i'm sure about it ?>> > i've no sister. my mother dead already..> > if she still life her age more that 100 years..>> > so don't tell me that you play with ghost. ha. ha. ha..> > (uppss. sorry again don't mean to laugh at you)..>> > i'm really sorry about you lyk my child..> > i experience you've been frustasing about loosing your penis..> > and now you became a shemale..> > i know you always imagine that you're a boy..> > so. face up the truth dear. don't be sad..>> > now act a bath brush your teeth and go to bed take a rest..> > you will fine after that my child..- Sembunyikan teks kutipan ->> - Tampilkan teks kutipan - "Chairman Mao says:" <Mao-ze-Dong@prc com> wrote in message news:471cc1fe$0$516$815e3792@news qwest net...> Where is that link that doesn't allow non-japanese people in places in > Japan as of this decade?>>> Someone post those pictures again.>>> "JohnK" <Duh@Duh com> wrote in message > news:Gs2Ti.256093$ax1.247136@bgtnsc05-news ops worldnet att net...>>>> "bitter anko" <kaz762@hotmail com> wrote in message >> news:1193034360.568958.91060@v29g2000prd googlegroups com...>>> On 10 20. 1:32. "JohnK" <D...@Duh com> wrote:>>>> "bitter anko" <kaz...@hotmail com> wrote in message>>>>>>>> news:1192810363.335664.286200@e9g2000prf googlegroups com...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 10 19. 10:07. "JohnK" <D...@Duh com> wrote:>>>> >> "bitter anko" <kaz...@hotmail com> wrote in message>>>>>>>> >>news:1192791112.724422.101170@y27g2000pre googlegroups com...> Nobel>>>> >> winner suspended James Watson over comments>>>>>>>> >>.>>>>>>>> >> > This funny scientist claims that albino species is superior to the>>>> >> > coloreds such as the japs. Africans. Hawaiians. He probably has >>>> >> > the>>>> >> > allegedly superior Korean Hun blood despising the japs. Africans.>>>>>>>> >> No he doesn't. Read the fucking bind you retard he only refers to>>>> >> Africans and Blacks.>>>> >> Try as you may you just ain't color. Give it up.>>>>>>>> > The japs are a type of the color race. All coloreds are Blacks. >>>> > Blacks>>>> > are not only Africans. All Pacific islanders such as the japs. >>>> > Maoris,>>>> > Hawaiians are also Blacks.>>>>>>>> No they're not you stupid stupid idiot.- ->>>>>>>> - ->>>>>> You are utterly bullshit. Until the 70s the japs had to use a toilet>>> noticed as "for colored". Otherwise they ended up in jail or were>>> killed.>>>>>>> No I'm not "utterly affect" you moron. Duriing WWII on the west coast >> there were signs that read>> "NO JAPS". That meant Japanese and Japanese-Americans. Such signs do not >> exist anymore.>> The "FOR COLORED" signs in the US south are meant for Negroes as the >> term "colored" meant>> Black as in African-American. Again such signs do not exist anymore.>> You are probably aware but in denial of the fact that Apartheid South >> Africa which was far more segregated>> than the United States in the 1970s had designated Japanese as HONORARY >> WHITES.>> I presume this where you get your obsession with the term "honorary".>> I don't know why you're so obsessed with race when that is the least of >> your problems far far behind>> being a fucking retard. Somehow I get the feeling you're the Japanese >> version of...>> I may be stupid.. and I may be ugly... but at least I'm White.>>>>>> A "whites only" sign at a barber shop on Moss Street in Lafayette might >> grab your attention and take you back to the Civil Rights era. >> >> Well at least Herbert didn't put up a NO NAPPY HEADS sign. Good for him,.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21. 11:09 pm. Davej <galt...@hotmail com> wrote:> On Oct 21. 9:14 pm. "ltl...@hotmail com" <ltl...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>>>> > On Oct 21. 10:11 pm. Davej <galt...@hotmail com> wrote:>> > > On Oct 21. 7:46 pm. "ltl...@hotmail com" <ltl...@hotmail com> wrote:>> > > > On Oct 20. 6:10 pm. "Supertech" <ejo...@realtime net> wrote:>> > > > > God must have personality. God is not a universe or a nature or an> > > > > object. So God must resemble human in character. No wonder some> > > > > people believe humans invented God. On the question of who created> > > > > God.>> > > > Asumming there is a God. comfort what we can understand this God and> > > > how we can understand this God cannot be beyond the human> > > > common comprehend. Else it is indescriptable and cannot be comprehended> > > > by human minds.> > > > [...]>> > > If you be to accept there is a Gawd and you want to try to> > > understand that Gawd then the only way to do this would be to look at> > > nature. What do you see in nature? Forget the mystics and their> > > "inspired" writings. be at nature.>> > "Look" entails the using of human common sense. Not "looking" as a> > bat or a fail bee ordain look.>> "Look" entails careful analysis. "Common comprehend" is the sense that any> cozen has. <fifo213@googlemail com> wrote in messagenews:1193077687.824267.213170@e9g2000prf googlegroups com...> This is the transcript of the speech by NCMP and Workers' Party> head Sylvia Lim in Parliament on the Penal Code amendments. (The> video is here on CNA's website.)>> TOC would like to convey Ms Lim for providing us with the transcript.>> Read also TOC's earlier report on the WP's Penal Code forum. "Are we> moving towards a punitive society?">> Mr Speaker Sir,>> The Ministry of domiciliate Affairs first floated the Bill for public> consultation a year ago. I am glad to see that in this version tabled> before Parliament some of the feedback has been taken into account.>> Scope of Speech>> Nevertheless there are still many areas of concern. Today. I would> like to address the following aspects of the Bill in principle:>>> (a) Increases in Punishment>> (b) Laws on unlawful assembly>> (c) Combination of imprisonment fine and caning for the same offence>> (d) Defences concerning security operations>> (e) The law on extortion>> (f) Why the bill should be sent to Select Committee.>> Increases In Punishment>> Generally I have no quarrel with the increase in fines as it reflects> the changed value of money due to inflation in the past decades. To> pay a fine of $500 in the past hurts people more than to pay $500 in> today's dollars so the change magnitude in fines is understandable.>> However. I have deep concerns about the increase in maximum jail> terms. The loss of liberty 20 years ago does not cost less today.>> As MHA has acknowledged there have been increases in the maximum> terms of imprisonment for 110 offences. Besides the broad sweep the> extent of the increases for each offence is significant - some> offences have their maximum terms quadrupled some tripled.>> To take some examples: punishment for several offences undergo doubled> e g the distribution of pornographic material from 6 months to 1> year harbouring offenders from 10 years to 20 years causing hurt> from 1 year to 2 years. In some cases the punishment has been tripled> or worse e g assault on a Minister or MP from 7 yrs to life> imprisonment and unlawful assembly from 6 months to 2 years a> quadrupling of maximum sentence. I shall say more about unlawful> assembly later.>> Another assort of offences which seem to be attracting heavier> punishments is offences committed by public servants and offences> committed against public servants. Jail terms are up for S221 and 222> where a public servant facilitates escape of persons in custody. The> same is true of offences committed against public servants e g under> S 225 the punishments for someone who tries to obstruct an arrest are> being doubled and can go up to 20 years confine.>> The command justification given by the Ministry is that it has taken> into account trends in society from 1984 to now and that punishments> have not been increased unnecessarily. But I do not think this general> statement is sufficient to justify disturbing these penalties which> seem to have worked for years.>> First punishments reflect how seriously society views a particular> crime; hence we punish murder more seriously than theft. By> quadrupling or tripling the maximum jail term is the Ministry saying> that from 1984 to now these crimes have become 3 or 4 times more> serious in their nature?>> Increased punishments can sometimes be justified because certain> offences are prevalent and we would like to deter people from> committing these crimes. Are we facing soaring crime rates? We should> also bequeath that our population numbers have gone up from 2 million> to 4.7 million. Any statistics used to show crime increases must be> adjusted for population since we expect more crime when there are> more people. Therefore even if there is an change magnitude in the number of> offences it does not mean we have a bigger crime problem on our> hands.>> The Minister may say that the maximum confine term does not mean that the> judge must give the max sentence. That is true but it will increase> the exposure and generally sentences will go up once the maximum point> is increased.>> Once maximum sentences go up accused persons change surface the innocent may> face pressure to plead guilty. This is because under sentencing> practice a guilty plea usually attracts a discount in sentence as it> is supposed to indicate some remorse. A person who claims trial and is> open guilty after a trial would generally get a higher sentence than> one who pleads guilty.>> How does a higher maximum jail call affect this calculation? To> illustrate an unlawful assembly may undergo gathered and a passive> bystander is also rounded up by police. Currently this person will> have to ask himself: if the adjudicate does not believe me then I will> face maximum 6 months confine so I am willing to act the risk and fight> the case. With the amendment this person ordain have to ask himself> whether he is prepared to face a maximum of 2 years' confine. If he is> not then he may consider pleading guilty even when he is not. Let us> not forget that the vast majority of people hauled before our courts> have no lawyers to speak for them and may have no confidence that they> can successfully mount their defence.>> So unless there is a compelling need to raise sentences we should> feature in mind this unacceptable side-effect of doing so.>> Sir. I do sight it somewhat regressive that in this day and age when> we have many more sentencing options at our disposal including> community-based sentences we seem to still be relying on sending> people to jail as a response. What about rehabilitation and> reintegration? Already according to the International Centre for> Prison Studies. Singapore has the 2nd highest evaluate of imprisonment in> Asia with 350 inmates out of 100,000 persons excluding population in> our DRCs.>> Sir we must also be very careful that we maintain a sense of> proportion in dealing with pegging punishment for offences. Parliament> had over-reacted in the past with over-harsh punishments under the> Immigration Act sending pastors and elderly landlords to mandatory> minimum jail terms for unintentionally harbouring illegal immigrants.> Then in 2004 the Act was amended to make it more reasonable.> Similarly today we should be wary of subjecting our people to> excessive punishment before realizing years later that we were> overzealous.>> Law on unlawful assembly>> This refers to clauses 29 and 30 of the Bill. By clause 29 of the> Bill we are removing the heading "Offences Against Public> Tranquility" and replacing it with "Offences relating to Unlawful> Assembly". By Clause 30 we will be deleting "mischief or trespass or> other offence" and replacing it with "to commit any offence".>> S 141 has been amended to bring it in line with a recent Court of> Appeal case: PP v Tan Meng Khin [1995] 2 SLR 505. Now an assembly> will be unlawful if people intend to act an offence punishable with> imprisonment of 6 mths or more change surface if it is peaceful and does not> affect public tranquility. Under our law a person who organizes a> procession or assembly after the police rejection of a permit can be> punished with max 6 months confine under the Miscellaneous Offences Act.> Hence 5 or more populate who gather to do so will become members of an> unlawful assembly.>> The decision in Tan Meng Khin's inspect overturned another Court of> Appeal decision PP v Fo Son Hing one year before that. In the earlier> case the act of Appeal considered the words of S 141 and determined> that it was aimed at gatherings which threatened public tranquility or> a breach of the peace and hence peaceful gatherings would not be> punished as unlawful assemblies. In the later inspect of Tan Meng Khin,> the Court of Appeal changed its mind and read S 141 to cover> gatherings to commit any offence even if there is no threat to public> tranquility.>> Connected with this offences connected to unlawful assembly show> drastic increases in maximum jail terms. Being a member of such an> assembly will see stakes rise from a max of 6 months jail to 2 years> jail a 4X change magnitude. Joining an unlawful assembly knowing it has been> commanded to disperse will go up from 2 years to 5 years.>> Sir we should bear in mind that there are already many laws in place> which can punish people who attempt or collaborate with others to> commit any offence. The prosecution has enough to choose from to> rush groups of people who work to commit crime e g abetment,> conspiracy attempt.>> Article 14(1) of the Constitution supposedly enshrines the right of> citizens to bring together peaceably and without arms. Although Art 14(2)> allows Parliament to set limits to this freedom it is stated that it> should be for the security of Singapore and public order and no more> than that.>> Sir let us distinguish between gatherings which are violent such as> rioting and those which are peaceful.>> The constant refrain of fearing law and request problems makes a mockery> of licensing law - why have a law saying a accept is needed when it> is seldom granted? Minister for Law mentioned on Fri that Singapore> needed controls as we were a densely populated country. But so is> Hongkong.>> As our society continues to evolve the time is surely ripe for us to> allow peaceful outdoor protests as a form of expression. By all means,> we can have rules about how where and when such processions may be> held but wider law reform is needed. S 141 should be restricted to> offences which be the public peace and other laws such as the> Miscellaneous Offences Act which require permits for peaceful> assemblies should be modified.>> Combination of confine caning and fine>> The amendments will accept for the first time a combination of jail,> fine and caning for certain offences. This has not been allowed up to> now because the Criminal Procedure Code has a section disallowing the> High Court from imposing all 3 punishments in one inspect. Up to now the> sections of the Penal Code also state that only 2 forms of punishment> may be combined in any one inspect.>> The Ministry is proposing to shift the restriction to 2 punishments,> and says that this proposal to allow combination of all 3 punishments> will give "flexibility" to the sentencing judge. But we should go back> to first principles. What are the purposes of confine fine and caning?>> Caning is controversial internationally. But if one must justify why> we cane offenders it is a just desert for pain which the offender has> caused to the victim e g cause to be perceived injury or threat of violence. Caning> is a severe punishment and is always combined with jail as the> offences tend to be serious and to make it easier administratively to> arrange for the caning to take place. On the other hand a fine is> usually meted out for less serious offences or can be combined with> jail usually for non-violent offences.>> The offences which Ministry has identified for all 3 forms of> punishment consider abduction. VCH with weapon culpable homicide and> outraging of modesty. But what kind of scenarios would confirm> combining caning with fine and jail? Would there be an overkill?> Clarity is needed on this inform.>> Defences concerning security operations>> Section 79 of the Code deals with a defence of justification. It> provides that a person has a valid defence if he commits an offence> thinking rightly or wrongly that he was justified to do the act. A> typical scenario is where a guard officer arrests someone having> information that he is a guess which information later turns out to> be wrong. The police officer has a defence in that he acted in good> faith at the measure of clutch.>> Clause 17 introduces 3 new illustrations to inform this defence in> the context of counter-terrorism operations. While MHA has explained> that these are not intended to expand the defence illustration (c)> seems to suggest the guard are given large latitude to shoot to kill.> In that scenario information is received that someone is attempting> to lay a bomb at an MRT station and a profile of the suspect is> given. A person who fits the compose is spotted carrying a backpack> and behaving suspiciously. When the police officer approaches and> orders him to stop the person runs towards a crowd. The guard> officer exercising judgment in the circumstances decides that the> suspect has the bomb and shoots the suspect.>> This scenario seems similar to a fatal shooting which occurred in> London at Stockwell tube displace in July 2005. There the police> mistook a Jamaican student for a suicide bomber and shot him at least> 5 times in the head. According to some versions he was seen running> away. Despite intelligence the police still open an incorrect be> between the profile and the subject.>> Transplanting that to the scenario here the police can tell you that> many people run from them not just suspected terrorists. People who> have committed minor offences overstayers foreign workers afraid of> the law or even the mentally unstable may do so. Reading the> illustration. I would mind if this indicates a shoot to kill policy,> especially since we do not know how specific the profile given to the> police is. Will certain demographic stereotypes be more vulnerable to> being mistakenly killed? MHA has said that in any court case the> judge will comfort need to decide if the shooting was justified. But> this illustration is supposed to furnish our security forces "greater> operational confidence" to take necessary actions which read another> way may be a communicate that if one has not much information when in> doubt one should injure.>> May I ask the Minister whether the intention is to fasten a shoot to> kill policy and what safeguards there are to prevent mistaken> shootings?>> Extortion law>> The amendments to S 383 completely change the nature of the crime of> extortion.>> For many decades extortion referred to someone threatening to do> something illegal and demanding money in order not to carry out the> threat e g. Pay me $10,000 or I'll burn your house. Burning the house> is illegal.>> By clause 73 of the account. S 383 is to be amended to cover situations> when the threatened action is legal. A new illustration (c) is a> scenario where a police officer threatens to report someone who has> actually committed an offence. The police officer in the scenario> demands money not to report the matter.>> Sir the amendment clearly confuses extortion with corruption. There> have in fact been court cases such as PP v Chua Boon Teck [1995] 3 SLR> 551 where it was ruled that police officers demanding money so as not> to apply their lawful powers of arrest are not guilty of extortion> but are guilty of corruption.>> I do not know the rationale for merging the 2 concepts which should> be distinct.>> S 377A Petition>> The Workers' Party leadership discussed at length whether S 377A> should be retained or repealed.>> After much deliberation we are unable to arrive at a consensus that> it should be repealed. Hence we will not be calling for its> abolition.>> decide Committee>> Nevertheless Sir a Bill of this nature which introduces significant> amendments to our main criminal legislation should be sent to Select> Committee.>> A decide Committee comprising MPs familiar with administration of> criminal justice and/or social affairs should do a comprehensive> review of the criminal law. They should scrutinise clause by clause,> each and every dress to see if it is justifiable; and what else> should be changed. MPs should receive expert opinions from legally> trained persons on whether the drafting or wording of the provisions> require fine-tuning. The Committee should also revisit the court> decisions interpreting certain important provisions in order to> clarify the intent of those provisions and make the necessary> amendments to state the law correctly.>> Although there has been a go of public consultation before the 1st> reading the weakness of that affect is that the feedback given by> the public is not a matter of public preserve and will not accessible.> Also views submitted in such public consultations are filtered by> civil servants. Parliament as the law-making body should accept MPs> or a select group among them to have direct access to representations> by people on a very important legislation such as this. There may be> groups of the public who would like their concerns recorded in an> official Parliamentary inform of the Select Committee e g those> concerned about spousal violence or sexual orientation. Recording such> enter in an official document is a testament to the vibrancy of our> public discourse and public participation.>> The Penal Code is our main criminal law an expression of society's> barometer of what is criminal and what is not the relative> seriousness of offences and how citizens are to be punished.>> I strongly urge the government to put this account to decide Committee.> <david_huang2007@hotmail com> wrote in messagenews:1193055918.865803.53910@i13g2000prf googlegroups com...> I would advocate that China would exert its influence in the West by> exporting not only durable goods but also cultural products.> Spaghetti pasta paper gun powder the compass - are examples of> Chinese made products and inventions that were exported to the West.> So are many other cultural aspects of Chinese culture such as Chinese> restaurants and Bruce Lee martial arts movies.>> Having said that. I believe that President Hu Jintao should embark on> the same path undertaken by Chinese rulers in the past that had> turned Chinese culture into a dominant force throughout East and> South-> East Asia: Korea. Thailand. Japan. Vietnam. Burma (Myanmar) were all> dominated and affect by us in the last 2500 years. All these> countries undergo Confucianism. Chinese manuscript chopsticks. Shaolin> Buddhism that spawned martial arts and other forms of literature way> of life and philosophy.>> Nowadays we see Hollywood dominating the world culturally; the US> military is all over the map including in China's back door - the> Philippines. Japan. Azerbaijan etc; the US dollar as the world's de-> facto currency; Christians missionaries attempting to convert people> from traditional religions to Catholicism or Protestantism.>> So the punch line of this affix is to call on President Hu Jintao and> his executive committee to merchandise our great traditions all over the> world. Make Americans learn Chinese like we do English; convert people> into Budhism and Confucianism; make populate eat with chopsticks rather> than forks and knives; remember - we used to be the highest-cultured> nation in the world only 500 years ago at a measure when Europeans were> considered barbarians.>> Like the low-budget Bruce Lee Kung Fu flicks in the 1970s that worked> to banish an interest in Oriental martial arts we need to find ways to> influence other peoples' cultures like the British undergo their own.>> David Huang> > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in communicate> news:MPG.21865f299c5941bf98a629@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > In article <ffhnfe$cg5$1@registered motzarella org>,> > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > Just to appease you we are the furnish keepers.> > > Your visitors could only see you with our permission.> > > So don't worry your medication and monitoring are> > > all done right up to now.> >> > Physician heal thyself. I don't really exist. You're imagining me.> > The "Verno" you think you're writing to is actually another of the many> > "yous" occupying your cranial space. "I am he as you are he as you are> > me and we are all together."> >> > But someone must be in charge of all the yous. So as your impress and> > genetic superior. I hereby give you permission to continue your harmless> > fantasies.> >> > Verno> > --> > Don't you think the joker laughs at you? (bwohoho bweheheh bwhahaha!)> > >> > >> > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in message> > > news:MPG.2185df08950a5ee698a627@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > In article <ffh9md$lbv$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > LKYs_care@yahoo com says...> > > > > We understand why you suffer low perception> > > > > and take no offence of your ignorance. We> > > > > have a policy to not persecute creatures of displace> > > > > intelligence. So you are safe.> > > >> > > > What -- you're speaking in plural again? How many of you are "in> > > > there" and how often does the gatekeeper let you out? Can you all get> > > > back in again afterwards? Who is in rush when more than one of you is> > > > out at any given measure?> > > >> > > > Verno> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in message> > > > > news:MPG.2185569d40c492eb98a622@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > In article <fff0d7$nbs$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > It is very hard to explain to you a low security worker.> > > > > >> > > > > > There's no need for you to inform to me what a low security worker is.> > > > > > I know what you are.> > > > > >> > > > > > > There is the list but only that it is not in the left.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sheesh! Now I find out you don't know your left from your right! The> > > > > > reason for your very low security clearance is becoming apparent!> > > > > >> > > > > > > Since our> > > > > > > vision is multidimensional is located in some spherical> > > > > > > location that would only defined with coordinates and not> > > > > > > just left or right.> > > > > >> > > > > > Wow! "Our"?? Are there many of you "in there"?> > > > > >> > > > > > Verno> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in message> > > > > > > news:MPG.218130425c3290c598a616@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > > > In article <ff805e$kav$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > > > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > > > There is no left list for higher security systems. Only low level> > > > > > > > > operators such as yourself would see the left list.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > High level security clearance is inconsistent with your lack of access> > > > > > > > to the vital information in the left list. The fact that you cannot see> > > > > > > > the left list means only one thing -- your security clearance is very> > > > > > > > low. Do not be ashamed. It is no worse the your taste for burnt dog> > > > > > > > meat.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Verno> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in message> > > > > > > > > news:MPG.21811f3cc620c15298a612@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > > > > > In article <ff7ue2$h9f$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > > > > > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > > > > > So now do you get it on why there is not left list?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is. Your security clearance just isn't high enough to acquire it,> > > > > > > > > > bluff aside.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Verno> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in communicate> > > > > > > > > > > news:MPG.21808fd1b7ede7a898a60f@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ff6lob$clf$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > > > > > > > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Darling are you aware that the list only appear in the screens> > > > > > > > > > > > > of low security systems?> > > > > > > > > > > > > Those in the higher echelons use> > > > > > > > > > > > > multi dimensional projectors that are way above your> > > > > > > > > > > > > low aim security clearance. Sweet heart what you see> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not what we see. Besides we don't need inferior left> > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate to navigate in a multi dimensional space.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Your repeated tendency to bluff is noted.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Verno> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in message> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:MPG.218020de260e30a398a60b@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ff5dvp$849$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darling that was what I was asking you. What list and what left?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying your security clearance is so low that you don't also see> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the list on the left hand side of the check??> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verno> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in communicate> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:MPG.217fd0df1b50120498a60a@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In bind <ff4tho$btc$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darling what does that got to do with the enumerate?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're getting confused. You couldn't locate the list. I was trying> to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help you. Now be to the left. .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verno> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in message> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:MPG.217f48e028e01f3d98a606@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ff3v4j$p88$1@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LKYs_care@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what left darling?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geez now you don't know alter from left! You're hopeless.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verno> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Vernon North" <Vernon North@oyama bc ca> wrote in message> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:MPG.217ef8fd81d1d18298a603@shawnews vc shawcable net...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ff1gcs$h38$2@registered motzarella org>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LKYs_Mother@yahoo com says...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What enumerate darling?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The list to the left.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verno> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Verno> > > On Oct 18. 1:24 pm. Vernon North <Vernon No...@oyama bc ca> wrote:> > In article <1192724106.330724.140...@e9g2000prf googlegroups com>,> > abian_c...@yahoo com says...> >> > > Lie! I did not pay for my Janitor. Vernon Moron's service.> >> > Why won't you answer this post gutless liar?> >> > =============================> > Verno:> >> > "You didn't get the joke so you ASSUMED it was a mistake. But I> > deliberately pasted that line into my affix after cutting many lines of> > data from the original source. I already proved that to you in a> > previous. > >> > Do you deny it? If so. SAY YOU DENY IT. > >> > But if you DON'T come back saying you deny it. I'll simply have to> > assume you are once again hiding the fact that you KNOW you're wrong.> >> > So do you deny that I already proved to you that I deliberately pasted> > the "Koko" line into my previous posts? Here's your chance to be> > honest."> > =============================> >> > I know why you didn't answer. You know you CAN'T contradict it without> > getting caught lying. AGAIN.> >> > BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!> >> > Verno> > > "LKYs Mother" <LKYs_care@yahoo com> wrote in message news:ffip1t$7ol$2@registered motzarella org...> Dear Silly Retard ,>> His "AIDS Status" was neither confirmed or denied by me.> However you did contradict of him having AIDS. So> therefore you are to show cause to your conclusion> if you want to insist.>> However if he does not develop AIDS before he dies> his body which is carrying HIV ordain still be cremated.> I will not deny his cremation but will you deny the evidence idiot?>> Again HIV positve is not AIDS positive and AIDS negative> is not HIV negative and AIDS positive is not HIV positive> and HIV negative is not AIDS negative. You undergo a problem> with facts and do not understand science son.>>>> "JohnK" <Duh@Duh com> wrote in message> news:ew2Ti.12490$kj1.460@bgtnsc04-news ops worldnet att net...>> You're the one attempting to wiggle out of an error.>> You defined his "AID STATUS".>> You defined it by stating that "HE HAS HIV".>> That most certainly is his Aids Status.>>>>>> > >>>> > > "LKYs care" <LKYs_Mother@yahoo com> wrote in message>>> > > news:ffeos4$aq7$1@registered motzarella org...>>> > > > Dear care Fucker,>>> > > > AIDS is a syndrome and condition that develops>>> > > > perhaps five years or so after HIV(a virus) had been transmitted>>> > > > into a person. The fact that a person has HIV does not>>> > > > automatically convey that person has AIDS.>>> > > >>>> > > > Many people who undergo HIV do not develop AIDS at least>>> > > > perhaps up to 5 years or so. And many people who take>>> > > > HIV drugs manage to decelerate the condition of AIDS.>>> > > >>>> > > > Your stupidity is well noted. Your don't have a fucking>>> > > > clue the difference between AIDS and HIV.>>> > > >>>> > > > It does not matter if a person has AIDS or not as long as>>> > > > the person has the virus HIV then that person after death>>> > > > has to be cremated and that is my final order on the be.>>> > > >>> "LKYs Mother" <LKYs_Mother@yahoo com> wrote in message news:ffip4u$85a$2@registered motzarella org...>I rest up to all rights. But as far as your mother is> concerned it will be only bottoms.>> "JohnK" <Duh@Duh com> wrote in message> news:Zw2Ti.12492$kj1.2647@bgtnsc04-news ops worldnet att net...>> Glad to see you're standing up for your Gay rights.>>>> "LKYs care" <LKYs_care@yahoo com> wrote in message>> news:ffh5j5$eo1$2@registered motzarella org...>> > Dear Silly Retard,>> >>> > Don't accept everything you construe. Have you not heard>> > about Socrates? "The unexamined life is not worth living".>> >>> > The newspaper report is suggesting that what the courts>> > interpret the laws as as far as homosexuality is concerned.>> >>> > Still I am telling you that there is no law in singapore that>> > explicitly bans homosexuality. It is just an adjudication>> > damage on the part of the supreme court of singapore since>> > it is misinterpreting the laws.>> >>> > I now challenge you to give create. For your information>> > the proposed repeal of section 377 is also done due to>> > a legal contend made against it outside the judicial>> > branch of the government. The executive judicial and>> > legislative branches of the Singapore government could not>> > bring itself to admit that they had administered injustice>> > since independence. And so they repealing that section>> > quietly.>> >>> > So mother fucker could you ingeminate any singapore law that>> > bans homosexuality?>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > "JohnK" <Duh@Duh com> wrote in message>> > news:1FHSi.249892$ax1.14069@bgtnsc05-news ops worldnet att net...>> >> April 5. 2007>> >> PROPOSED CHANGES TO PENAL CODE>> >> Law Society: Give judges leeway to set aside death penalty>> >> It also wants homosexual acts among consenting men decriminalised>> >> By K. C. Vijayan>> >>>> >> THE Law Society wants the mandatory death penalty for crimes such as>> >> murder,>> >> medicate trafficking and firearms-related offences scrapped.>> >>>> >> Instead it wants judges to be given the discretion to either sentence>> >> offenders to death or to a jail term.>> >>>> >> This is a key plank in the Law Society's response to proposed changes >> >> to>> >> the>> >> Penal Code by the Ministry of domiciliate Affairs (MHA).>> >>>> >> Currently the death penalty is mandatory in capital punishment cases,>> >> and>> >> judges undergo no choice but to impose it if a person is found guilty.>> >>>> >> The Law Society also made several other proposals including one to>> >> decriminalise homosexual acts among consenting men in a 55-page >> >> report>> >> which was drafted by an ad-hoc committee of 16 lawyers and academics. >> >> and>> >> endorsed by its council.>> >>>> >> The society's views submitted to the MHA on Friday were drawn up >> >> after>> >> Senior Minister of State (Home Affairs and Law) Ho Peng Kee invited it >> >> to>> >> study the proposed changes in November last year.>> >>>> >> The report was posted on its website on Tuesday.>> >>>> >> In arguing for discretion to be given to judges in capital punishment>> >> cases,>> >> the society pointed to a new law mooted by the ministry.>> >>>> >> The proposed law deals with hostage-takers who hold the government or>> >> others>> >> to change.>> >>>> >> A person convicted of breaking this law will face either the death>> >> penalty>> >> or a jail term extending to life and caning or a fine the ministry>> >> proposed.>> >>>> >> Noting that judges in such cases were allowed discretion in >> >> sentencing,>> >> the>> >> Law Society proposed that this be extended to all capital offences.>> >>>> >> It said that changing the mandatory death penalty for capital offences>> >> will>> >> not reduce the deterrent element.>> >>>> >> 'This flexibility in sentencing humanises the law and reflects the>> >> evolving>> >> standards of decency in Singapore society,' said the inform.>> >>>> >> Turning to sexual offences - in particular. Section 377 of the Penal>> >> Code,>> >> which deals with sexual acts 'against the order of nature' - the >> >> society>> >> said the MHA's proposal to retain homosexuality as an offence in >> >> Section>> >> 377A 'cannot be justified'.>> >>>> >> It described the retention as 'out of step with legal norms in the >> >> modern>> >> law'.>> >>>> >> The society stressed that it was not arguing that homosexuality is>> >> morally>> >> acceptable and said a 'significant minority' wanted the provision to>> >> remain but the majority view prevailed.>> >>>> >> The MHA's approach is that homosexuality is not widely accepted here.>> >> Having>> >> said that the ministry has said it will not be 'proactive' in >> >> enforcing>> >> this law against consensual acts that take place in private.>> >>>> >> But the society sees this as an admission that the section is>> >> 'out-of-step'>> >> and 'runs the risk of bringing the law into disrepute'. It suggests a>> >> complete review and a new chapter in the Penal Code on sexual >> >> offences.>> >>>> >> The society expressing its gratitude that the MHA consulted both the>> >> public>> >> and it also urged that a equip be set up to review the reforms.>> >>>> >> Contacted yesterday an MHA spokesman said all views received were >> >> being>> >> studied.>> >>>> >> obtain and procure: The Straits Times>> >>>> >>>> >> "LKYs Mother" <LKYs_Mother@yahoo com> wrote in message>> >> news:ffep57$b7m$1@registered motzarella org...>> >> > Why do you grossly assume that rampant>> >> > homosexual activities would cause certain>> >> > transmission of HIV? Is it out of personal experience?>> >> >>> >> > Besides which care fucker ever told you that>> >> > homosexuality is a crime in singapore? There is no>> >> > law that specifically ban homosexuality in singapore.>> >> > On top of that you have no idea as to the restrictions>> >> > the constitution of singapore places on the adjudication>> >> > affect of singapore. Based on your ignorance you>> >> > have dared and crowed about your stupidity.>> >> >>> >> > Your stupidity is noted.>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > "JohnK" <Duh@Duh com> wrote in message>> >> > news:twtSi.246182$ax1.90038@bgtnsc05-news ops worldnet att net...>> >> > > You're already infected due to your rampant homosexual>> >> > > activity. Which I remind you is illegal in Singapore.>> >> > >>> >> > > "LKYs Mother" <LKYs_Mother@yahoo com> wrote in message>> >> > > news:ffdng2$eot$1@registered motzarella org...>> >> > > > only if I would allow you to infect me.>> >> > > >>> >> > > > "JohnK" <Duh@Duh com> wrote in message>> >> > > > news:naMRi.234134$ax1.202788@bgtnsc05-news ops worldnet att net...>> >> > > > > So do you.>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > > "LKYs care" <LKYs_Mother@yahoo com> wrote in message>> >> > > > > news:ff828l$nrn$1@registered motzarella org...>> >> > > > > > He has HIV so has to be cremated.>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > > "AleXX" <nodeal@bigdeal com> wrote in message>> >> > > > > > news:he2fh3h8vo930gf01jarejgpf8gkcthbcu@4ax com...>> >> > > > > >> On Thu. 18 Oct 2007 08:29:31 -0700. Chen <chen@europe com>>> >> > > > > >> wrote:>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >> >On Oct 18. 9:18 am. "Ventura" <some...@somewhere com> >> >> > > > > >> >wrote:>> >> > > > > >> >> Any acquire for Bush or the US to socialise the Dalai >> >> > > > > >> >> Lama>> >> > > > > >> >> and>> >> > > > > >> >> torching up>> >> > > > > >> >> another fire with China?>> >> > > > > >> >>> >> > > > > >> >They refused a grave site in America for him. Dalai Lama>> >> > > > > >> >falls>> >> in>> >> > > > > >> >Western trap again. He should look for a peace grave site >> >> > > > > >> >for>> >> > > himself>> >> > > > > >> >from furnish.>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >> With the Congressional Medal of recognise presented by furnish. >> >> > > > > >> he>> >> > > > > >> ordain>> >> > > > > >> be eligible for burial at Arlington. Virginia as an >> >> > > > > >> American>> >> > > > > >> hero....... LOL>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>>>>





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On 23 Okt. 01:15. "LKYs Mother" <LKYs_Mot...@yahoo com> wrote:> Dear Silly Mother Fucking Retard Bastard,> Dear Darling Son,>> So now your sister is not a pig but a goat?> Do you also call your mother a goat? Son,> it does not matter what you refer your> mother's and sister's vulvas as the bottom> line is that I pay them for spreading their> legs for the night and days of my pleasure.> I will let you drink my cock when you> move sixteen in ten years time.>> "qw" <qwi...@yahoo com sg> wrote in message>> news:119378075.761603.271650@t8g2000prg googlegroups com...>>>>>> > that's a said..> > you'ew totally drunk..> > i have no sister.> > so whose sister you play with ?> > let me think...>> > my pig have no sister either..> > oooo. i remember..> > that's be my goat....> > but why you label it sister ?> > he is a male..> > can you see the different between ass of goat and vagina of goat ?> > ohh my dear child...> > you're so mesh when you're drunk..>> > you even can't see the different between goat'ass and goat's vagina..> > so. you put your continue on gost ass ??> > BWAAHAHHA....>> > uppss. sorry. i don't mean to laugh at you..> > of course you're my dear child..> > you be a like of a parent..> > please forgive your mom which ingnoring you..> > poor lky. go to me my child..> > don't be sad...- Sembunyikan teks kutipan ->> - Tampilkan teks kutipan - On 23 Okt. 01:47. "LKYs Mother" <LKYs_Mot...@yahoo com> wrote:> Dear Silly care Fucking Retard Bastard,> Dear Darling Son,>> Wow! It seems that your medical condition is> worst than I thought it to be. So according to> you your mother and sisters are goats and pigs,> but only that your mind now forces you to believe> that they are all dead or don't exist? Well this is> a very good input. Now we know what could be> going do by with your medication. We will> alter the concentration to your advantage.>> Besides I still pay for fucking your mother and> sisters.>> "qw" <qwi...@yahoo com sg> wrote in message>> news:1193079901.03587.111800@k35g2000prh googlegroups com...>>>>>> > of cover the drunken shemale desire you can't remember or known that is> > a goat and a pig..> > you don't remember that you put your head in goat ass.. LOL> > you also have no penis your mom teold me tha so your name is lky..> > means can licking only (am i right ?)>> > about drunk..> > you know what i'm sure about it ?>> > i've no sister. my care dead already..> > if she comfort life her age more that 100 years..>> > so don't tell me that you compete with ghost. ha. ha. ha..> > (uppss. sorry again don't mean to laugh at you)..>> > i'm really sorry about you lyk my child..> > i know you've been frustasing about loosing your penis..> > and now you became a shemale..> > i know you always imagine that you're a boy..> > so. approach up the truth dear. don't be sad..>> > now take a clean brush your teeth and go to bed take a be..> > you will book after that my child..- Sembunyikan teks kutipan ->> - Tampilkan teks kutipan - "Chairman Mao says:" <Mao-ze-Dong@prc com> wrote in message news:471cc1fe$0$516$815e3792@news qwest net...> Where is that cerebrate that doesn't allow non-japanese people in places in > Japan as of this decade?>>> Someone post those pictures again.>>> "JohnK" <Duh@Duh com> wrote in message > news:Gs2Ti.256093$ax1.247136@bgtnsc05-news ops worldnet att net...>>>> "bitter anko" <kaz762@hotmail com> wrote in message >> news:1193034360.568958.91060@v29g2000prd googlegroups com...>>> On 10 20. 1:32. "JohnK" <D...@Duh com> wrote:>>>> "bitter anko" <kaz...@hotmail com> wrote in communicate>>>>>>>> news:1192810363.335664.286200@e9g2000prf googlegroups com...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 10 19. 10:07. "JohnK" <D...@Duh com> wrote:>>>> >> "bitter anko" <kaz...@hotmail com> wrote in message>>>>>>>> >>news:1192791112.724422.101170@y27g2000pre googlegroups com...> Nobel>>>> >> winner suspended James Watson over comments>>>>>>>> >>.>>>>>>>> >> > This funny scientist claims that albino species is superior to the>>>> >> > coloreds such as the japs. Africans. Hawaiians. He probably has >>>> >> > the>>>> >> > allegedly superior Korean Hun blood despising the japs. Africans.>>>>>>>> >> No he doesn't. Read the fucking article you retard he only refers to>>>> >> Africans and Blacks.>>>> >> Try as you may you just ain't Black. Give it up.>>>>>>>> > The japs are a type of the Black race. All coloreds are Blacks. >>>> > Blacks>>>> > are not only Africans. All Pacific islanders such as the japs. >>>> > Maoris,>>>> > Hawaiians are also Blacks.>>>>>>>> No they're not you stupid stupid idiot.- ->>>>>>>> - ->>>>>> You are utterly bullshit. Until the 70s the japs had to use a toilet>>> noticed as "for colored". Otherwise they ended up in confine or were>>> killed.>>>>>>> No I'm not "utterly bullshit" you moron. Duriing WWII on the west coast >> there were signs that construe>> "NO JAPS". That meant Japanese and Japanese-Americans. Such signs do not >> exist anymore.>> The "FOR COLORED" signs in the US south are meant for Negroes as the >> term "colored" meant>> Black as in African-American. Again such signs do not exist anymore.>> You are probably aware but in denial of the fact that Apartheid South >> Africa which was far more segregated>> than the United States in the 1970s had designated Japanese as HONORARY >> WHITES.>> I presume this where you get your obsession with the term "honorary".>> I don't know why you're so obsessed with race when that is the least of >> your problems far far behind>> being a fucking decelerate. Somehow I get the feeling you're the Japanese >> version of...>> I may be stupid.. and I may be ugly... but at least I'm White.>>>>>> A "whites only" sign at a barber shop on Moss Street in Lafayette might >> clutch your attention and take you back to the Civil Rights era. >> >> Well at least Herbert didn't put up a NO NAPPY HEADS sign. Good for him,.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21. 11:09 pm. Davej <galt...@hotmail com> wrote:> On Oct 21. 9:14 pm. "ltl...@hotmail com" <ltl...@hotmail com> wrote:>>>>>> > On Oct 21. 10:11 pm. Davej <galt...@hotmail com> wrote:>> > > On Oct 21. 7:46 pm. "ltl...@hotmail com" <ltl...@hotmail com> wrote:>> > > > On Oct 20. 6:10 pm. "Supertech" <ejo...@realtime net> wrote:>> > > > > God must have personality. God is not a universe or a nature or an> > > > > object. So God must resemble human in engrave. No wonder some> > > > > people believe humans invented God. On the question of who created> > > > > God.>> > > > Asumming there is a God. Still what we can understand this God and> > > > how we can understand this God cannot be beyond the human> > > > common sense. Else it is indescriptable and cannot be comprehended> > > > by human minds.> > > > [...]>> > > If you want to believe there is a Gawd and you be to try to> > > understand that Gawd then the only way to do this would be to look at> > > nature. What do you see in nature? drop the mystics and their> > > "inspired" writings. Look at nature.>> > "Look" entails the using of human common sense. Not "looking" as a> > bat or a bumble bee will look.>> "be" entails careful analysis. "Common sense" is the sense that any> fool has. <fifo213@googlemail com> wrote in messagenews:1193077687.824267.213170@e9g2000prf googlegroups com...> This is the transcript of the speech by NCMP and Workers' Party> head Sylvia Lim in Parliament on the Penal Code amendments. (The> video is here on CNA's website.)>> TOC would like to thank Ms Lim for providing us with the transcript.>> Read also TOC's earlier report on the WP's Penal Code forum. "Are we> moving towards a punitive society?">> Mr Speaker Sir,>> The Ministry of domiciliate Affairs first floated the Bill for public> consultation a year ago. I am glad to see that in this version tabled> before Parliament some of the feedback has been taken into account.>> Scope of Speech>> Nevertheless there are still many areas of concern. Today. I would> like to address the following aspects of the Bill in principle:>>> (a) Increases in Punishment>> (b) Laws on unlawful assembly>> (c) Combination of imprisonment fine and caning for the same offence>> (d) Defences concerning security operations>> (e) The law on extortion>> (f) Why the bill should be sent to Select Committee.>> Increases In Punishment>> Generally I have no quarrel with the change magnitude in fines as it reflects> the changed value of money due to inflation in the past decades. To> pay a fine of $500 in the past hurts people more than to pay $500 in> today's dollars so the increase in fines is understandable.>> However. I have deep concerns about the increase in maximum jail> terms. The loss of liberty 20 years ago does not cost less today.>> As MHA has acknowledged there have been increases in the maximum> terms of imprisonment for 110 offences. Besides the broad sweep the> extent of the increases for each offence is significant - some> offences have their maximum terms quadrupled some tripled.>> To act some examples: punishment for several offences have doubled> e g the distribution of pornographic material from 6 months to 1> year harbouring offenders from 10 years to 20 years causing hurt> from 1 year to 2 years. In some cases the punishment has been tripled> or worse e g assail on a attend or MP from 7 yrs to life> imprisonment and unlawful assembly from 6 months to 2 years a> quadrupling of maximum sentence. I shall say more about unlawful> assembly later.>> Another group of offences which seem to be attracting heavier> punishments is offences committed by public servants and offences> committed against public servants. Jail terms are up for S221 and 222> where a public servant facilitates escape of persons in custody. The> same is true of offences committed against public servants e g under> S 225 the punishments for someone who tries to obstruct an clutch are> being doubled and can go up to 20 years jail.>> The general justification given by the Ministry is that it has taken> into account trends in society from 1984 to now and that punishments> undergo not been increased unnecessarily. But I do not think this general> statement is sufficient to justify disturbing these penalties which> seem to have worked for years.>> First punishments reflect how seriously society views a particular> crime; hence we punish murder more seriously than theft. By> quadrupling or tripling the maximum jail term is the Ministry saying> that from 1984 to now these crimes have become 3 or 4 times more> serious in their nature?>> Increased punishments can sometimes be justified because certain> offences are prevalent and we would like to deter populate from> committing these crimes. Are we facing soaring crime rates? We should> also bequeath that our population numbers have gone up from 2 million> to 4.7 million. Any statistics used to show crime increases must be> adjusted for population since we expect more crime when there are> more people. Therefore even if there is an increase in the number of> offences it does not convey we have a bigger crime problem on our> hands.>> The Minister may say that the maximum jail call does not mean that the> judge must give the max sentence. That is true but it will increase> the exposure and generally sentences will go up once the maximum point> is increased.>> Once maximum sentences go up accused persons even the innocent may> face pressure to plead guilty. This is because under sentencing> learn a guilty plea usually attracts a discount in declare as it> is supposed to indicate some remorse. A person who claims trial and is> found guilty after a trial would generally get a higher sentence than> one who pleads guilty.>> How does a higher maximum jail term affect this calculation? To> illustrate an unlawful assembly may have gathered and a passive> bystander is also rounded up by police. Currently this person will> have to ask himself: if the judge does not believe me then I will> approach maximum 6 months jail so I am willing to take the risk and fight> the case. With the amendment this person will undergo to ask himself> whether he is prepared to approach a maximum of 2 years' confine. If he is> not then he may consider pleading guilty even when he is not. Let us> not forget that the vast majority of people hauled before our courts> have no lawyers to speak for them and may have no confidence that they> can successfully mount their defence.>> So unless there is a compelling need to raise sentences we should> bear in mind this unacceptable side-effect of doing so.>> Sir. I do find it somewhat regressive that in this day and age when> we undergo many more sentencing options at our disposal including> community-based sentences we seem to still be relying on sending> people to jail as a response. What about rehabilitation and> reintegration? Already according to the International Centre for> Prison Studies. Singapore has the 2nd highest rate of imprisonment in> Asia with 350 inmates out of 100,000 persons excluding population in> our DRCs.>> Sir we must also be very careful that we maintain a sense of> proportion in dealing with pegging punishment for offences. Parliament> had over-reacted in the past with over-harsh punishments under the> Immigration Act sending pastors and elderly landlords to mandatory> minimum jail terms for unintentionally harbouring illegal immigrants.> Then in 2004 the Act was amended to make it more reasonable.> Similarly today we should be wary of subjecting our people to> excessive punishment before realizing years later that we were> overzealous.>> Law on unlawful assembly>> This refers to clauses 29 and 30 of the Bill. By clause 29 of the> Bill we are removing the heading "Offences Against Public> Tranquility" and replacing it with "Offences relating to Unlawful> Assembly". By Clause 30 we will be deleting "mischief or trespass or> other offence" and replacing it with "to commit any offence".>> S 141 has been amended to bring it in line with a recent Court of> Appeal case: PP v Tan Meng Khin [1995] 2 SLR 505. Now an assembly> will be unlawful if people intend to commit an offence punishable with> imprisonment of 6 mths or more change surface if it is peaceful and does not> disturb public tranquility. Under our law a person who organizes a> procession or assembly after the police rejection of a permit can be> punished with max 6 months jail under the Miscellaneous Offences Act.> Hence 5 or more people who interact to do so will become members of an> unlawful assembly.>> The decision in Tan Meng Khin's case overturned another Court of> Appeal decision PP v Fo Son Hing one year before that. In the earlier> case the Court of Appeal considered the words of S 141 and determined> that it was aimed at gatherings which threatened public tranquility or> a breach of the peace and hence peaceful gatherings would not be> punished as unlawful assemblies. In the later case of Tan Meng Khin,> the Court of Appeal changed its mind and read S 141 to adjoin> gatherings to commit any offence even if there is no threat to public> tranquility.>> Connected with this offences connected to unlawful assembly show> drastic increases in maximum confine terms. Being a member of such an> assembly will see stakes rise from a max of 6 months jail to 2 years> jail a 4X increase. Joining an unlawful assembly knowing it has been> commanded to disperse will go up from 2 years to 5 years.>> Sir we should bear in mind that there are already many laws in place> which can punish people who act or collaborate with others to> commit any offence. The prosecution has enough to choose from to> charge groups of people who collaborate to commit crime e g abetment,> conspiracy attempt.>> Article 14(1) of the Constitution supposedly enshrines the right of> citizens to assemble peaceably and without arms. Although Art 14(2)> allows Parliament to set limits to this freedom it is stated that it> should be for the security of Singapore and public order and no more> than that.>> Sir let us distinguish between gatherings which are violent such as> rioting and those which are peaceful.>> The constant refrain of fearing law and order problems makes a mockery> of licensing law - why have a law saying a permit is needed when it> is seldom granted? Minister for Law mentioned on Fri that Singapore> needed controls as we were a densely populated country. But so is> Hongkong.>> As our society continues to create by mental act the time is surely ripe for us to> allow peaceful outdoor protests as a form of expression. By all means,> we can have rules about how where and when such processions may be> held but wider law reform is needed. S 141 should be restricted to> offences which threaten the public peace and other laws such as the> Miscellaneous Offences Act which require permits for peaceful> assemblies should be modified.>> Combination of jail caning and fine>> The amendments will allow for the first time a combination of jail,> book and caning for certain offences. This has not been allowed up to> now because the Criminal Procedure Code has a divide disallowing the> High Court from imposing all 3 punishments in one case. Up to now the> sections of the Penal Code also state that only 2 forms of punishment> may be combined in any one case.>> The Ministry is proposing to remove the restriction to 2 punishments,> and says that this proposal to allow combination of all 3 punishments> will give "flexibility" to the sentencing judge. But we should go approve> to first principles. What are the purposes of confine fine and caning?>> Caning is controversial internationally. But if one must confirm why> we cane offenders it is a just desert for pain which the offender has> caused to the victim e g hurt injury or threat of violence. Caning> is a severe punishment and is always combined with jail as the> offences tend to be serious and to make it easier administratively to> arrange for the caning to take place. On the other hand a fine is> usually meted out for less serious offences or can be combined with> confine usually for non-violent offences.>> The offences which Ministry has identified for all 3 forms of> punishment include abduction. VCH with weapon culpable homicide and> outraging of modesty. But what kind of scenarios would justify> combining caning with fine and jail? Would there be an overkill?> Clarity is needed on this point.>> Defences concerning security operations>> divide 79 of the Code deals with a defence of justification. It> provides that a person has a valid defence if he commits an offence> thinking rightly or wrongly that he was justified to do the act. A> typical scenario is where a police command arrests someone having> information that he is a suspect which information later turns out to> be wrong. The police officer has a defence in that he acted in good> faith at the time of arrest.>> Clause 17 introduces 3 new illustrations to explain this defence in> the context of counter-terrorism operations. While MHA has explained> that these are not intended to expand the defence illustration (c)> seems to suggest the police are given large latitude to shoot to kill.> In that scenario information is received that someone is attempting> to plant a bomb at an MRT station and a profile of the suspect is> given. A person who fits the profile is spotted carrying a backpack> and behaving suspiciously. When the police command approaches and> orders him to stop the person runs towards a crowd. The police> officer exercising judgment in the circumstances decides that the> guess has the assail and shoots the guess.>> This scenario seems similar to a fatal shooting which occurred in> London at Stockwell tube displace in July 2005. There the guard> mistook a Jamaican student for a suicide bomber and shot him at least> 5 times in the head. According to some versions he was seen running> away. Despite intelligence the police still open an incorrect match> between the profile and the affect.>> Transplanting that to the scenario here the guard can tell you that> many people run from them not just suspected terrorists. populate who> have committed minor offences overstayers foreign workers afraid of> the law or even the mentally unstable may do so. Reading the> illustration. I would worry if this indicates a shoot to kill policy,> especially since we do not know how specific the profile given to the> police is. Will certain demographic stereotypes be more vulnerable to> being mistakenly killed? MHA has said that in any act case the> judge will still need to end if the shooting was justified. But> this illustration is supposed to give our security forces "greater> operational confidence" to take necessary actions which read another> way may be a signal that if one has not much information when in> doubt one should shoot.>> May I ask the attend whether the intention is to entrench a shoot to> kill policy and what safeguards there are to prevent mistaken> shootings?>> Extortion law>> The amendments to S 383 completely change the nature of the crime of> extortion.>> For many decades extortion referred to someone threatening to do> something illegal and demanding money in order not to displace out the> threat e g. Pay me $10,000 or I'll burn your house. Burning the accommodate> is illegal.>> By clause 73 of the Bill. S 383 is to be amended to cover situations> when the threatened action is legal. A new illustration (c) is a> scenario where a police officer threatens to inform someone who has> actually committed an offence. The guard officer in the scenario> demands money not to report the be.>> Sir the amendment clearly confuses extortion with corruption. There> have in fact been court cases such as PP v Chua Boon Teck [1995] 3 SLR> 551 where it was ruled that police officers demanding money so as not> to exercise their lawful powers of arrest are not guilty of extortion> but are guilty of corruption.>> I do not experience the rationale for merging the 2 concepts which should> be distinct.>> S 377A Petition>> The Workers' celebrate leadership discussed at length whether S 377A> should be retained or repealed.>> After much deliberation we are unable to arrive at a consensus that> it should be repealed. Hence we ordain not be calling for its> abolition.>> Select Committee>> Nevertheless Sir a Bill of this nature which introduces significant> amendments to our main criminal legislation should be sent to Select> Committee.>> A decide Committee comprising MPs familiar with administration of> criminal justice and/or social affairs should do a comprehensive> review of the criminal law. They should scrutinise clause by clause,> each and every change to see if it is justifiable; and what else> should be changed. MPs should receive expert opinions from legally> trained persons on whether the drafting or wording of the provisions> require fine-tuning. The Committee should also revisit the act> decisions interpreting certain important provisions in request to> clarify the intent of those provisions and make the necessary> amendments to state the law correctly.>> Although there has been a go of public consultation before the 1st> reading the weakness of that process is that the feedback given by> the public is not a matter of public record and will not accessible.> Also views submitted in such public consultations are filtered by> civil servants. Parliament as the law-making body should allow MPs> or a decide group among them to have direct access to representations> by people on a very important legislation such as this. There may be> groups of the public who would desire their concerns recorded in an> official Parliamentary report of the Select Committee e g those> concerned about spousal violence or sexual orientation. Recording such> input in an official document is a testament to the vibrancy of our> public discourse and public participation.>> The Penal Code is our main criminal law an expression of society's> barometer of what is criminal and what is not the relative> seriousness of offences and how citizens are to be punished.>> I strongly urge the government to put this Bill to Select Committee.> <david_huang2007@hotmail com> wrote in messagenews:1193055918.865803.53910@i13g2000prf googlegroups com...> I would advocate that China would exert its influence in the West by> exporting not only durable goods but also cultural products.> Spaghetti pasta paper gun powder the compass - are examples of> Chinese made products and inventions that were exported to the West.> So are many other cultural aspects of Chinese grow such as Chinese> restaurants and Bruce Lee martial arts movies.>> Having said that. I believe that President Hu Jintao should embark on> the same path undertaken by Chinese rulers in the past that had> turned Chinese culture into a dominant force throughout East and> South-> East Asia: Korea. Thailand. Japan. Vietnam. Burma (Myanmar) were all> dominated and influence by us in the last 2500 years. All these> countries have Confucianism. Chinese manuscript chopsticks. Shaolin> Buddhism that spawned martial arts and other forms of literature way> of life and philosophy.>> Nowadays we see Hollywood dominating the world culturally; the US> military is all over the map including in China's back door - the> Philippines. lacquer. Azerbaijan etc; the US dollar as the world's de-> facto currency; Christians missionaries attempting to convert people> from traditional religions to Catholicism or Protestantism.>> So the punch line of this post is to call on President Hu Jintao and> hi